Are your hands bloody?

The American people have a high opinion of this country's goodness. Polls show that the majority of people in this country think it is the greatest, most generous country in the world. They also believe it is the moral leader of the world. Sadly, those who believe this the most are nothing more than war crimes enablers.

History is replete with examples of power gone bad, much like the example given by the Bush administration. The truly sad thing is that the people that actually enable this evil will never be held accountable for their support. Without a doubt, every person who voted for Bush/Cheney in 2004 has blood on his or her hands.

Long before the election, it was well known that the Bush administration encouraged the use of torture and was in the habit of imprisoning people with no more cause than unproven accusations. Those imprisoned were denied all legal rights and were held under what amounted to unending imprisonment.

Not only was it known that the Bush administration encouraged the use of torture, it was shown to be standard practice when the Abu Ghraib abuses surfaced in the spring of 2004. It was obvious that the actions of the personnel at the prison were a direct result of the tone set by the administration and its lackeys and apologists in the Justice Department. This information became public months before the election.

There were other facts on the public record as early as 2004 that pointed to malfeasance by the Bush administration. The main justification for the war had been shown to be false. A war without justification is a war of aggression and can be considered a war crime under international standards of justice.

And yet, even knowing all of the above, a majority of the electorate voted Bush/Cheney back in office.

Many of those who voted for Bush in 2004 have come to regret it. Unfortunately, many more people around the world and in this country have suffered real  harm as a result of their votes. It is not enough to say, "I'm sorry I voted for Bush" They cannot wash the blood off their hands with an apology at this late date.

The truly sad part in all of this is that there are people who are about to make the same kind of mistake in this election. Anyone who knows John McCain's penchant for military action and votes for him anyway will be as responsible as McCain if this country enters a war with Iran. They will have blood on their hands as surely as those who voted for Bush in 2004.

A war with Iran is not the only situation that might end in bloodshed. McCain's penchant for conservative justices, as repeatedly stated by McCain himself, could lead to court rulings that will adversely affect the weakest members in our society.

His opposition to any realistic reform of the health care system in this country will leave many people to fall through the cracks and lead to deaths and severe complications for many. He has already shown how he feels about this issue with his vote on the sCHIP bill. That vote helped leave millions of children uninsured. His support for conservative justices could lead to a reversal of Roe v Wade that could in turn lead to back-alley abortions and deaths for some women.

John McCain also supports economic policies that will increase the inequity in this country. That inequity will in turn lead to financial disaster and hard times for many who are struggling to remain above the poverty line. How many people will choose suicide rather than face a lifetime of poverty?

Anyone who is considering voting for McCain had better stock up on lots of hand soap. You are going to need it to get all that blood off your hands.



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Not really a big fan of this diary... (2.00 / 1)

Sorry. A little too extreme for me, personally.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 08:49:32 PM EST

Re: Not really a big fan of this diary... (none / 0)

I gathered that from your reply to a comment I made  in another thread. That comment was the inspiration for this diary.

You may think it is extreme, but what do you think about the people that enabled Hitler to come to power? Did they bear some responsibility for Germany's actions in WWII? If not, why were they punished so severely by Allied forces?

Do you believe that voting for someone who takes actions that result in bloodshed after they are in office carries no taint, even when you knew that person was capable of those actions before you voted?

Sorry, we don't agree on this one. I stand behind the premise of this diary.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 08:54:18 PM EST
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the funny part of that exchange is (none / 0)

that if anyone else had made a Hitler reference you would be screeching at them and HR/TR'ing them into oblivion. what's that word that starts wit "H"?


by zerosumgame on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:02:06 PM EST
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Re: the funny part of that exchange is (none / 0)

In the first place, I never screech. In the second, I'll bet you my vote for Obama that you can't find a single comment I've made that complained about someone using a Hitler reference.

Finally, to put your, oh so wrong, comment to rest, the Hitler reference is valid in this instance. Hitler first came to power through the ballot box. Votes do have a consequence.

Once again, your comment lives up to the first four letters of your username.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:06:17 PM EST
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Re: Not really a big fan of this diary... (none / 0)

Any diary which exposes the real McBush instead of regurgitating GOP lies about Obama gets a rec from me.


by Beren on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:55:06 PM EST
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Re: Not really a big fan of this diary... (none / 0)

Extreme? Bush, Cheney, and McCain now that's extreme. How many thousands of people have died because we voted in an inept president twice. Extreme?
This diary talks about a real issue Torture and what happens when we vote and when we don't. Death is extreme.
by Politicalslave on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 06:54:10 AM EST
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Re: Are your hands bloody? (none / 0)

As Americans...
ALL OUR HANDS ARE BLOODY!
See you in Denver
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:10:39 PM EST

Re: Are your hands bloody? (none / 0)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EaH4U8oz Eg


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 09:12:25 PM EST

How in the world did I ever survive... (none / 0)

...this long without the benefit of your overbearing judgement?

(rolling eyes)


by DawnG on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:13:31 PM EST

Re: How in the world did I ever survive... (none / 0)

Do you feel that there are no consequences for votes? If George Wallace had been elected and returned this country to the days of Jim Crow would the voters who elected him bear any responsibility for that or would they be blameless?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:32:26 PM EST
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Will, since you want to know... (none / 0)

...what I think. I'll be happy to tell you.

I think it's pointless to cast collective blame on an entire nation for the actions of its leaders.  I also think you're being small minded when you refuse to accept repentence from Bush voters who express regret for their vote.  If you treat people as irredemable, they will very likely not even try to redeme themselves.

I think you are being overly judgemental and I think that is incredibly unconstructive to the argument.  You can write a diary explaining to people the real world impact of policy in this country WITHOUT casting blame and judgement.

That is what I think.  And I thank you for asking.


by DawnG on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 10:49:02 PM EST
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Re: Will, since you want to know... (none / 0)

The comment below was supposed to be an answer to your comment. Sorry about that.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:05:23 PM EST
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Re: Are your hands bloody? (none / 0)

I'm not casting blame on a whole nation for the actions of its leaders. I'm casting blame on the people that put those leaders in power.

There is little difference in my mind between a vote for Bush, given everything that was known at the time, and the irresponsibility of handing a gun to a person with a record of violence.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sat Jul 19, 2008 at 11:04:51 PM EST

Re: Are your hands bloody? (none / 0)

That's right and there are people who want to do it again by voting for McCain. Who are these people? What are they thinking? Are their sons and daughters coming back in body bags?


by Politicalslave on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 06:57:27 AM EST
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America has a well earned reputation as being on a higher moral plane than other countries.

Bush worked VERY hard to destroy our legacy but history still stands witness to the greatness of our moral standing.

For example,  America is the only country in the history of the world who chose for exclusively moral reasons not to take over the world.  There existed a time from the end of WWII until the soviets gained the nuke bomb where we could have taken over the entire world with almost no casualties.

We were capable of making 1 atom bomb per week.  That was sufficient to stop ALL other nations from gaining the bomb and we could have fought a war to rule the world.

No other country in the history of the world has been in that position and chosen not to invade.

There are many other examples of the unique moral position as the worlds police man that America has held since the end of WWII until the Bush presidency.

Even today I believe our military is the most welcome per capita of any "invading" army in the world.  IE if you see a foreign Army marching towards you America would be the most popular army to have marching towards you when compared to the other powerful armies, Russia, China, EU, India etc.

Even if the EU may be slightly more popular at present they are composed of the Spanish, French, English and German who in the last 100 years have been far more evil in their military actions than the USA.

All other more popular militaries are small and have not had the chance to be tested.  And among the vast majority of small militias there record is also much worse than the US record.

History is in sincere opposition to your views regarding the USA


by dtaylor2 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 01:52:33 AM EST

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This comment is totally irrelevant to the content of this diary. It isn't about whether the US is basically a moral country. It is about the actions the US has taken over the last 8 years and whether the people who voted for Bush in 2004 bear some of the responsibility of those actions. It has nothing to do with the military in other countries.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 02:38:33 AM EST
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One thumb up, one thumb down (none / 0)

Down: I tend to agree that this diary is a bit irrational and overly judgmental.

Up: From the sounds of it you're definitely not PUMA.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 03:59:53 AM EST

Re: One thumb up, one thumb down (none / 0)

Where are you based now USArmy? Hope your family is doing well.


by Politicalslave on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 07:00:45 AM EST
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Re: One thumb up, one thumb down (none / 0)

Thank you! I'm at Fort Bragg, NC.


Gobama!
by USArmyParatrooper on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 07:39:21 AM EST
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Re: Are your hands bloody? (none / 0)

Get a life, please.


by M1513 on Sun Jul 20, 2008 at 09:27:01 AM EST


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